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over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over the 800 billion in new tax revenue. this was part of john boehner and plan. those tea party-backed co
american. >> senator rubio weighing in on the fiscal cliff debate and the idea of raising tax rates for the wealthy saying we need to make poor people richer, not rich people poorer. soledad. >> that's the kind of thinking that will get you votes, right? >> all right. thanks, zoraida. >> new york city police could be close to charging a suspect in that fatal subway push. they say a man is now being questioned and has implicated himself in this case. a front page "new york post" photo has become the source of a lot of controversy. it shows the victim desperately trying to climb up from the tracks as the train approaches. this morning we're hearing that the photographer has said some things in his own defense. cnn's mary snow has more on this report. >> [ bleep ] alone. take your [ bleep ] over there. >> reporter: why exactly these men were fighting is unclear. but moments after this video obtained by the new york police was record 58-year-old ki-suck han whose face is obscured, was pushed on to the tracks, police say, by the man yelling at him. subway barreling through the station ki
% of americans are likely to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice
the fiscal cliff, but if the average american family, according to the statistics, has to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year, they're not going to be buying any more lincoln logs or toys like this. we cannot endorse any one product, by the way. and therefore this business is going to suffer. if there's one thing that's clear, thomas, from the president's offer through secretary geithner up on the hill yesterday, is number one, they really feel like they have the upper political hand. and number two, they're going to play hardball, as you reported. we are still, believe it or not, on the eve of december in the preliminary sort of positioning stages of this negotiation, thomas. >> okay. that's hutfeld, pennsylvania? >> reporter: i believe it is hatfield. i'm getting confirmation here, yes. >> nbc's mike viqueira in hatfield, pa. >>> we are going to be carrying the president's remarks live today at 12:05 right here on msnbc, the place for politics. , something this delicious could only come from nature. new nectresse. the 100% natural no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit.
're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an incredibly popular position. it's important for republicans to know that the white house is not going to accept any kind of a deal. that's the point he was trying to make. i think all the leverage now is with the democrats, with the president. the american public is on his side. i think it's important for the republicans not to think that they can just get any kind of deal out of him because if they do go over the cliff, there is a solution. the very next day, the house can simply pass a bill, giving tax relief to 98% of americans and we go on. >> but the house is controlled by republicans. >> and it would be the republicans fault
the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy. it will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes, to replace the sequester and pave the way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy and protect american jobs and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis and to get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that, i'll take a few questions sfwl speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within entitlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year and a half, i've talked to the president about many of the
for on the fiscal cliff? look at every poll. americans largely agree with the president which is why they re-elected him. the president. >> when you look at the map it doesn't work. -- when you look at the math it doesn't work. we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> stephanie: we just talked about this earlier. a newly-released poll from "the washington post" and pew shows 53% of americans would blame republicans if we don't get a fiscal cliff agreement. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] the numbers are largely unchanged from the ones conducted right after the election. that's exactly what the president said. we're in the exit polls. to only 27% would blame obama if the country goes over the cliff. blah blah, blah. to that 64%ers who didn't believe it would have a major effect on the u.s. economy and 60% think that will be negative. who are republicans fighting for? not for a majority of americans. he's fighting for the top 2% who he says are actually small
and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an
to peeking over that fiscal cliff and two very lucky americans. they got a whole lot richer. a look back now at the week that was. >> the fiscal cliff, now just 34 days away. >> we only have a couple weeks to get something done. >> listen, this is not a game. >> you'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. >> susan rice faces more backlash. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. >> there are no unanswered questions. >> somebody somewhere is waking up filthy stinking rich. >> lottery mascot doing "gangnam style" for us this morning. >> money, politics and the mix dominated this week that was. the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >> exextremist elements came to the consula
obama has seen these polls. so if there is a fiscal cliff and we go over it, the american public are likely to blame the republicans. >> well, that's absolutely true, piers. we've had an election and the clearest debate and the clearest difference in that election was over the question of whether the rich should pay more and tax rates should go up on the rich. everybody who paid any attention at all knows that the top 2% are now taking home a larger share of total income and wealth in this country than they have in over 80 years and are paying the lowest effective tax rate they paid in over a half a century. we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly, this gives the white house and this gives the obama administration much more bargaining leverag
will not play that game. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wonder where they ever got that idea? >> you just have to wait and see what happens. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. here is are the latest. republicans are at a stalemate with the white house for debt negotiations. republicans really only have two opti
if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >>> could going over the fiscal cliff be just what washington has wanted all along? >>> millions of americans are getting battered by a third severe storm with drenching rains, chevy snow and strong winds. details ahead. >>> and the stars were out last night for the kennedy center's honors. members of led zeppelin, david letterman, dustin hoffman and many others. we'll have that and much more coming up this monday morning on "first look." and a very good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz. one solution being heard more and more about solving the nation's financial showdown could be actually allowing the deadline to pass and letting america go over the fiscal cliff. that would allow tax rates to rise on everybody. then congress could come back after the new year and cut taxes on everyone but the wealthy. nbc's mike viqueira has the story. >> reporter: administration optimism for a deal. but only if republicans give in on raising rates for the wealthy. >> you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. the only thing th
hospital is with us. give me your concerns or feelings as we approach this fiscal cliff. do you think we'll get a deal done, or are you anticipating we go over the cliff? >> we're americans. we have to get a deal done. this is really important, and it's important for health care. at some point in time, we're going to have to come to grips with the fact there's got to be revenue. you have to have some rate increases, in my opinion. charitable deductions are a non-starter for us. that's a big issue. universities, hospitals, we depend on charity and charitable donations. >> let's stop right there because i want to take one part at a time. the charitable deductions, this is one of those deductions within the tax code that's being debated. that and as well the mortgage deduction. you think that if that incentive to give money away, that incentive to help hospitals, health care, you think people will give less? >> i know that. there's no question in my mind. >> why? >> because people do not want to feel that they're giving and then that deduction is limited. i've had discussions with many of o
thank you my friend, as always. catch one of the key voices behind the fiscal cliff negotiations here on "now" tomorrow when americans for tax reform president grover norquist joins us tomorrow at noon eastern. and after the break, entitlement reform hot potato. that's next on "now." music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> the vast majority of democrats on capitol hill would prefer not to have to do anything on entitlements, would prefer frankly not to have to do anything on some of these debt and deficit problems. if you look at the numbers, then medicare in particular, will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program, no matter how much taxes go up. i mean it'
was one of those days, show a lot of americans don't even know about the fiscal cliff. paychecks are going to go down, a million layoffs in the defense industry. no one seems to care right now. it's bad. >> you know what we have going for us? the grid, december 17 announced -- on a seasonal basis, they have reiterated once again that it doesn't have the demand to be sold year round, but starting a week from monday. >> i don't buy that. i think they do it because whenever they have mcrib, they're just fighting traffic for mcrib. there are places in the world where the mcrib is on the menu all the time. in case you're there on your vacation. >> i'm learning here all the time. i'm always learning. >> switch from the bacon cheese-inator. [ bell rings ] . >> celebrating the ground breaking of hotels in new york. we'll be speaking to the ceo in this hour. >> whitehorse is an interesting story. >> white house, delayed over at the nasdaq, the new york stock exchange puts out a release reiterating 16 companies have announced or moved to the big board so for this year. you're starting to wonder who
$800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly
. >> how are the wealthiest americans preparing for a possible fall off that fiscal cliff? we'll look at that next. >>> also, chevron ceo is warning a fall off that cliff would have major ramifications for his business. we'll hear from him exclusive later on "the closing bell." stay tuned. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. >>> well, there
that they're serious on negotiations. >> reporter: as the country fast approaches the fiscal cliff, the two sides are talking past each other. democrats say they've laid down their marker, hiking tax rates on wealthier americans. and it's up to republicans to propose specific spending cuts they want to entitlement programs. however, republicans say they've offered a concession, putting revenue on the table. and they say it's now up to the president and his fellow democrats to feel some pain and proposed cuts in medicare and medicaid. confusing? we asked harry reid. >> where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain. so you should ask him, okay? >> from capitol hill to the white house, democrats are standing firm, saying the major hurdle remains whether to raise tax rates. what's next? where do things go? the top republican aide tells me they look forward to talking to the white house. >> time is still running out, too. >> and quickly. >> with us now are ryan lizza, the new yorker magazine's washington correspondent and cnn's senior political analyst ron bram's team. thank you both
are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff because then taxes go up across the board. >> which is not what the president wants, but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the american government has never defaulted on its debt. and now there are some, not the majority of republicans but some on the extreme of the republican party and they seem to be in control, who seem to want to default on our debt. that's crazy. if they cannot be entrusted with the full faith and credit of the united states, they should not have that leverage. >> paul, where were the overtures though? where were the overtures with this deal that was presented? i mean, listen, you don't have to be mensa to know delivering a deal like that was going to make mitch mcconnell laugh. where were the overtures for the democrats? >> first of all, it is an overture, the deal itself. the proposal. it's not the deal, it's the proposal. the republicans have not come with a counterproposal. why? they seem to be intent on falling on their sword for t
. dan, thank you. appreciate it. >> okay. >> so if the country falls off the fiscal cliff, 90% of all americans are going to feel the pinch. the average american house hoed will see taxes go up by more than $3,400. our next guest went to capitol hill and the white house today to do something about this. kristin, she is one of the co-founders of moms rising, an on-line group that add slow indicates for families. kristen, tell me about your group. you went to the hill today. you have a petition, and you got some teddy bears as well. what's the serious message behind this? >> well, moms rising has more than a million members across the country. moms who care about family economic security and care about our nation, and they sent in stories by the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds about how going off the fiscal cliff would impact them. today we went to congress, and we delivered those stories, in fact, to every member of congress saying don't put us in an un-bear-able situation. don't throw moms and families off a fiscal cliff. we need to act quickly to fix this situation for women and f
of agreement on the fiscal cliff. look at this abc news/washington post survey that says 60% of americans support raising taxes on the wealthy. 37% oppose it. what about reducing deductions? 44% support it. 49% oppose it. americans, much like lawmakers, want a solution to the problem but clearly divided on how to get there. >> the consensus is there to solve it. the question is how. president obama is meeting with mitt romney today. >> big news. >> do you have any idea what they plan to discuss? >> they are having lunch at the white house this afternoon. the president talked about this after his re-election. he said he wanted to sit down with mitt romney, talk about ways to move the country forward. but the president pointed out mitt romney did a good job turning the olympics around. he thought it could work in the government. streamline agencies to make it more user-friendly. the president will talk with him about that. the president pointed out that out there on the call pain trail mitt romney had good things to say about job creation, turning the economy around. they will discuss those
the impact of a tax increase for 98% of americans if a deal the on the fiscal cliff is not reefed. while negotiations appear to be at a standstill, we know president obama and house speaker john boehner finally spoke by phone yesterday. the first conversation in a week. we don't know what they talked about or how long they spoke, because both men agreed to keep details of the conversation between the two of them. meanti meantime, democrats are digging in heels saying no deem if republicans refuse to let go of tax cuts for the wealthy. >> it's really time for republicans to face reality. i would hope the house of representatives would look closely at what's going on with senators coming out saying please, mr. speaker, do something about protecting the middle class. >>
factory, your company to make his fiscal cliff case? >> tyler, think it is because we are the american story. we're proof that a person with a good idea can convince retailers around the world and kids around the world to play with that idea for the last 20 years we've made over 31 billion parts. made millions of kids happy. i think because of that and because of the fact that we're making it here, the president's been talking about made in the usa since at least the state of the union and as part of his advanced manufacturing initiative which we certainly support. for all those reasons and because we believe in the entrepreneurial spirit of america and that we're the most productive and entrepreneurial country on earth. >> now remind me briefly, michael, if you will, the sort of chronology. you were making these toys in china and then chose to bring them back here for manufacturing. why? >> actually did, yes. as many companies did over the last 30 years, shifted things over to china because they thought it was cheaper. but as we looked at ourselves, the depth of the great recession in
in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> we are talking politics and the fiscal cliff. ana and lz are here, we held them over the break. we'll see how this goes, i'm going to mediate with the independent and republican here. here's where we are, the president has said this is on the table, this is where i stand, tax increases for the wealthiest 2% of the country, okay? ana, you're a republican, i hand that to you, what do you they. >> first of all, the devil is in the detail. how do we define the top 2% of the country? right now it is $250,000 is the definition. well, don, that may be wealthy in some parts of the united states, but it's not wealthy in other parts of the united states. >> so what do you do, how do you count her? >> you raise the cap on what wealthy means. you also put it all on the table as to how you're going to raise taxes. does it necessarily mean raising taxes? could it be getting rid of some deductions? >> so you would say, all right, we are willing to talk about raising taxes but we also want to raise what the minimum requirement is for the wealthiest -- >> he needs to put som
, americans really want to compromise here and they want finally a plan and to resolve this fiscal cliff. will republicans now counter with their own version of a plan, and -- and if you could share some details of what that potentially would look like? >> i think one of the problems with washington in general is these things are taking place behind closed doors. that didn't work out a year and a half ago when they put together a bad deal. both sides, the president, majority leader, the speaker, that created this crisis, but the point was that they wanted to borrow another $2.3 trillion. they promised they cut spending and here we are at the end of the year, we haven't cut any spending since august and now we want to borrow more money and raise taxes. again, two years ago, president obama signed and extended what i call the bush obama tax cuts. i think we need to do that, for some certainty to the economy and talk about looking at some real spending cuts, as well. >> some are criticizing this and calling it a very aggressive plan that the president has pushed forth. in public comments li
, brian. coach, dsw and american eagle a dividend payment ahead of the fiscal cliff. oracle said it was moving up three of its 2013 quarterly payments to this year. that's a nice payday for the ceo larry ellison who will take home about $199 million. the marketplace editor for "the wall street journal," alsos a new father. >> oh, thanks, carl. >> you look way too rested. >> i know. i hope my boy is not watching me, that he's asleep and being a good boy. >> let's talk some dividends -- congratulations. i'm so happy for you. let's talk some dividends. is this for the good of all shareholders or purely a personal decision? >> well, i have to say smoke them if you've got them. right now the market is saying give us our dividends. if you go to the website you'll see a list of dividends and the percentage of insider holdings for those companies that have produced those you see some companies you mention ed where there's not a lot of insider interest. of course there are companies like oracle. larry ellison owns about a quarter that have company where there is substantial personal divid
for republicans going forward. our fiscal cliff-mas gift today alan smith gets down gangnam style. what the senator is saying about the video that's gone viral watching the daily rundown only on msnbc. u see this? oh, let me guess -- more washington gridlock. no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. restore revive rejuvenate rebuild rebuild rebuild when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a res
americans use food stamps in august. that cost nearly $72 billion. so when you hear about the fiscal cliff and you hear about possible cuts to entitlements, did this experience change your view of that? >> i would say it changed my view. look i've been someone that wants to support the entire community no matter what neighborhood you live in, no market what your socio-economic background. i was challenged by a local nonprofit to take this challenge to make me a stronger leader and i happily accepted that challenge and it was a good learning experience. it was only a week. it's not the same thing of having to live on food stamps full time. that's brutally difficult to go jool your tummy isn't as full as it needs to be. i get that it was only a week. it helped me be a better policymaker. >> you kept a diary of your experience. i want to read a little bit of your entry from day four. i'm facing a long hungry day and an even longer night getting dinner on the table which requires making everything from scratch on this budget. it's only for a week so i've got a decent attitude. if i were doing
cliff. the nug says, let's stop the insanity by suspending the right to vote of any american who's on welfare. how effectiveç is voter suppression good at cushing insanity? >> this is the first time we've heard from john sununu. probably not the first time we've heard from ted nugent. these are two outliers within the beaten republican party. remember, the polls were barely closed before republicans were coming out of the woodwork, talking about how they needed to broaden the tent, be more open and welcoming and approachable to the very people who turned their backs on the republican party and helped re-elect president obama. john sununu is addition you know, he's not speaking for the republican party. ted nugent, he's very entertaining and downright racist in some of the things he says. >> if you like that kind of thing. >> i guarantee you, they're not going to be standing at the speaker's podium in 2016. the party moving beyond those characters. >> i hope you're right. mitt romney, whom you've just written about is seclusion in retail therapy. the man who told us i love cars,
the politics and get businesses back on track. >> safeguarding the portfolio ahead of the fiscal cliff. the smartest minds in the game will tell you how. >> making hot profit. >> another american made story you don't want to miss. the second hour of "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ >> welcome to "squawk box." i'm becky quick along with joe kernan. andrew is out on vacation today. the futures are indicated high they are morning. this is coming despite the idea of -- the two sides of the fiscal cliff not any closer on getting any sort after deal done again, we are looking at some green arrows on this friday morning. let's get to some of the headlines that are out there as we. president obama takes to the road today to pitch his already rejected deal to solve the fiscal cliff. he will be traveling to pennsylvania to push his pitch for tax increases on the wealthy. republicans say the campaign-style tactics are getting in the way of productive talks. more companies are announcing special dividends in anticipation of higher tax rates after the new year. whole foods announced a $2 a share
talks to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. utah congressman jason chafe fits joins me now. the president was campaigning today in campaign mode certainly and basically what the democrats and the white house are saying is this is what the american people voted for. all of the exit polls show that there is strong support, more than 60% of the voters, support tax increases for the wealthy. so how do you counter that? >> well, the president also said he was for a balanced approach and what we haven't seen is what is the other side of that balance? the president said he was going to help curb back the debt and tackle this deficit. instead, the president has the gull to actually go out and suggest that we should get rid of the debt ceiling votes and take away congress' ability to help put a lid on that. essentially wants a limitless credit card. that is a nonstarter for us in the house of representatives and the president should share with us what he thinks he should be cutting. not just 10, 20 years out in advance, what are we going to cut in year one naepts wh. that's what i want to hear fro
, of course, what is a very critical time. the deadline for the fiscal cliff is drawing near. you have to imagine that that was a large part of romney's discussions today both with president obama and with ryan. >> kristen welker at the white house, thanks so much. >>> we take you back on capitol hill where congressional leaders put much of their energy on the ongoing fiscal cliff negotiations. oklahoma representative tom cole who broke ranks with republicans by embracing president obama's plan to raise taxes on the wealthy stuck to his guns this morning. >> if we can give the american people an early christmas present, if they can listen to the debate instead of be worried that their own taxes are going to go up, i think that actually strengthens our hand. i haven't changed my mind. i'm not going to come out here and be disingenuous to people. i think it would be a step in the right direction. >> today john boehner expressed disappointment at where the negotiations stand. as our first read team points out, by siding with the white house tom cole may be helping boehner get the deal he
fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think tom coburn thinks it's going to happen. i wanted to play a bite from him and get your reaction. here he is. >> sure. >> i'm okay to compromise even on some of my issues, if, in fact, we'll solve the problem. but what we have is a game being played for political -- for the extreme right wing and the extreme left win rather than coming together and leading and solving the problem. >> so grover norquist. if you had to accept the tax rates would go up, all right, just they're going to go up and they're going to go up on somebody. what would you really want in return? not revenue-neutral. real tax increases. what do you want in return?
the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect in an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans get a tax cut under the framework under the first $250,000 of their income. in some sense, it's a tax cut for all americans. it's just for people who make more than that, we're going to ask them to pay a modestly amount more. >> that's hard to understand given how much going over the fiscal cliff would hurt the economy. why is going over the fiscal cliff worth it for just this one component? if you can get the other components, why wouldn't you take that? >> good question. thanks for asking. what we're trying to do is put in place a comprehensive balance set of fiscal reforms that put us back on the path to living within our means and create room for investing to make the economy stronger, make sure we're protecting medicare for future generations, and forcing the government to use the taxpayers' resources more wisely. in that context, you have to have a significant amount of revenues. we don't see a way of doing
the american economy. i've been warning you for months about the fiscal cliff, the economic storm of our own making. today, we saw a report indicating that u.s. manufacturing essentially ground to a halt in november. one of the culprits was clearly the uncertainty for business that has been created by this fiscal cliff threat, orders for new goods are flat. factories are cutting workers. this can be fixed. it is reversible. but the signs are clear that the damage is being done. quite a different story by the way over in china where manufacturing output, which had been slowing, picked up in november. it had months of slowdown. now, back to washington. what are the chances that lawmakers in washington will act in time to avert the fiscal cliff? if you go by what both sides are saying right now, not great. >> what we're not going to do is extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost a trillion dollars over ten years and there is no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without the tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff
this week, it shows that a majority of americans say if there is no deal, if we go over the fiscal cliff, they will blame republicans and not democrats or the president. you can be sure everyone is watching those polls. the debt ceiling if you can believe it, i know christine is rolling her eyes over there, the debt ceiling is becoming a part of this. >> that dialogue has been going on for quite some time now. at the end of the day, the republicans also want to feel like they're winning. >> we'll see you back here later. thank you. >> sounds great. >> 26 days to go on that. thanks, kate. >>> it looks like the bodies of two missing cousins have been found by hunters in a wooded area in iowa. 10-year-old cook and 8-year-old collins went missing back in july. their bicycles and one of the girls purses were found near a neighborhood lake. friends and neighbors gathered for a vigil last night. the families have been notified. the bodies still need to be positively identified by the state medical examiner. there is no suspects in their disappearance. this is the worst possible outcome for fami
. >>> welcome back. what has the fiscal cliff done to america's attitude about investing? steve liesman is here with the results of our all-american economic survey. >> thanks very much. our cnbc all-american economics survey for december looking at people's attitudes toward the stock market and debt. first, let's look at equity. what we find is the stock market in the minds of americans mired in the mud. is this a good time or bad time to invest? when it comes to the average, we're right at the average for the negativity on the market. how about when it comes to good time to invest? relative to the average, a little bit less optimism than normal. we've been doing this for about five years. how about uncertainty in the market? pretty high.uncertainty pretty . optimism low. pessimism about where it normally is. we want to bear in on the financial league. just a slightly different look. we'll look at the average versus right now. when it comes to a bad time or a good time, 55% on average say it's a good time. 34%, bad time. how about the last quarter? september, a little bit less optimism. how ab
to see this country go off the fiscal cliff. there's obviously too much at stake not only politically but for the lives and welfare of americans. i think that's foremost in their mind, even given all the politics. so thelma and louise, whatever conspiracy theories we see right now, they might be justified because we're at a standoff at least publicly right now as we head into december, alex. >> mike viqueira at the white house, thanks for that. >>> joining me for more front page politics, perry bacon junior and political contributor for the "washington post." perry, the president's plan is pretty ambitious. what is the strategy here? >> the strategy is to move this debate to the left. i mean, a lot of times you saw in these first four years obama would kind of start in the center on a plan and then the republicans could move to the right a little bit. in this plan, obama knows republicans don't support stimulus money. they don't support $1.6 trillion in taxes. he's saying i won the election. we're going to start with a plan pretty far to the left and move slightly from there. he's pla
, then they're going to risk the whole economy in going over the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's sustainable. i don't think people fully understand, what the president is saying is 100% of american families and small businesses get continued tax relief on their first $250,000 in income, and on the income above that amount, higher income people would be paying the same rates they did during the clinton administration, which is four more cents on the dollar. and, again, i don't think that's at all unreasonable. the president talked about this at length during the presidential campaign, and i believe -- i think people like tom cole, a conservative republican in oklahoma had it right when he warned his colleagues they would look totally obstructionist if they allowed that to happen. >> congressman, also included in the president's plan was that $200 billion in new stimulus measures. mention the word stimulus to republicans, and, well, they're not too happy with that word. so why do that? why deliberately like -- it seems like it was a deliberate poke in the side. >> no, carol. this
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've got a fiscal cliff now. we have the fiscal abyss next year. we need to say, don't come home. no deal, no break. members should be in washington at least five days a week like every other american and not leave until they deal with the fiscal cliff this year or until we get a grand bargain next year. they would pull off seven times more days -- >> david faber tweeted this morning that they should be locked in a room and forced to listen to the animal orchestra until they have a deal. >> david faber's hair. >> you put them in a room. you tell them they're going to sit there until the deal is done. day three, no more food. day five, no water. day seven, the waterboarding begins. that would get it done. >> and the president should be there, too. >> the president does work five days a week. >> but not in the same room. but he is home. he's already home. >> but listen, they spend too much time raising money. if they did a good job, they wouldn't have to raise as many money. if they got paid for performance, they wouldn't have any money. >> are you going to run for linda mcmahon's seat? >>
't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff proposal. three-page letter with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire house republican leadership signed on to the so-called fiscal cliff proposal letter. they're not serious about negotiating. i don't know the right wing and the tea party of who the republican party is nowadays but it's impossible to have a deal with one side refuses to compromise even after losing. they will not accept their own defeat. >> right. >> and that is the problem. >> a.b. let's play what congressman walter jones had to say on this boehner purge. i have the full screen of what he had to say when several members were removed as identified not being team players. he says, i w
washington bickers over the fiscal cliff and who's going to pay more in taxes, in great britain, lawmakers are telling some american companies it is time to start paying their fair share there in the uk. even throwing around terms such as shame, outrageous when talking about it. executives from google, amazon, and starbucks all appeared before a parliamentary committee looking into how international companies minimize the tax they pay in the uk. richard quest is in london to explain it all. now, richard, not necessarily talking about tax evasion here. it's more like avoidance, minimization, what's the concern? >> reporter: that's exactly the point. the companies are not breaking the law, not doing anything wrong. the accounts committee described their actions as immoral claiming they have r. so arranging their tax affairs so as to pay no tax in the country where the money is earned. this applies to google, which uses ireland, applies to amazon, on the continent, and it applies to starbucks in amsterdam. what we learned is how these companies arrange their affairs. so even though the latte
a counterproposal on the fiscal cliff. the bad news is they are very far apart. the other thing, there's a dawning realization we're in a new era of austerity. american austerity is beginning in 2013 and that's beginning to dawn on a lot of people. >> gordon is with us. let me ask you the same question, what happened at the end of the day here? you had about almost a billion to buy and ended lower. tell us how the end of day finish and what you're expecting. >> end of days have been spectacular here. friday is the craziest closing identify seen down here for a long time. you've seen a lot of activity coming in for the liquidity event, posing imbalances not just being met but reversed. that's the order of trading of the day here going forward. if you look at the month i think we'll see muted action in response to what's happening in terms of the fiscal cliff. there's enough arguments to believe it will sustain at these levels but i think we'll pick up serious action in the last ten days of the month and we could see significant volume come down here. >> that's what you want to see and that's what y
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